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Q: “What is a relation in database?”

A: “Relational databases were so named in 1970 by computer scientist E. F. Codd because the tables are themselves relations, which is a mathematical term. What makes a relation (aka a table) a relation? Basically:

• A relation has a heading, which names a finite set of columns.
• Columns are defined by their name and their type.
• A relation has a finite set of tuples (aka rows), and every tuple has the same set of columns (i.e. same name and type) as those named in the heading.
• Being finite sets, both the set of columns in the heading and the set of tuples in the relation have no duplicates and no inherent order.

See? There’s nothing about relationships between tables in the definition of a relation. You could have a relational database that contains just one relation. If there’s any relationship described in a relation, it’s actually the relationship between the columns within a relation. That is, the value "Pittsburgh" goes with the value "Steelers" on a given row because the relation is defined as "pro football teams by city" and therefore there’s a linkage between some values in the set of football teams and the set of city names.”  --Quora.com

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Q: “I'm not sure what this means: "The order of the rows and columns is immaterial to the DBMS?" -- could anyone explain?”

A: “It means two things:
The engine is under no obligation to insert new rows immediately following the previously inserted row(s)... During processing of selects, the optimizer is free to use any index it finds efficient to use or none at all... For this reason, if the order of returned data is important to your processing, then you must include an ORDER BY clause.”

Q: “How do you reorder fields in the database?”

A: “Depends on how you define "reorder". What view of your data are you trying to set the order. Are you in Table Design view? ... Are you looking at form? The answer is different depending on what you are referring to.”

--Quora.com

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The following is an email exchange with a reader and DBMS designer.

ON DATA TYPES AND WHAT A DBMS IS

(originally published in 2001)

Reader:
"I would like to hear your (or Date's) opinion on The Suneido Database … it seems to me self-contradictory. They aren't typed ... so how can they define operators, or even the idea of domains. They also say they include administrative commands, which as far as I understand isn't allowed in the THIRD MANIFESTO. While they do not claim to be an implementation of the Manifesto, their claims that their database language was created by CJ Date do not sound appropriate."

 "They don't know what [domains (distinct from programming data types)] are and what their function in the RDM is. That's common for all DBMS vendors, the claims of which should be always taken with more than a grain of salt."

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Q: “What is the relationship between an entity and a record?”

A: “In the context of a database design, an ‘entity’ is a type or category of persons, places, things or events. It’s a collectivisation of the nouns in a system about which you wish to keep data. For example, Employee might be the name of an entity in your system. A ‘record’ is a collection of data about a specific entity, a particular person or place, an identifiable thing, or a single event. For example, Name: ‘Dave Voorhis’, StartYear: 2019, Salary: £1,398,293 might be a record of one Employee entity in your system.”

A: “Database, file, and recordset are basically the same thing. They are collections of information or data. Each database or file or recordset typically has some sort of common purpose or definition. Like a database (relational, hierarchical, etc.) of data of a business process. A File is again a collection of data such as all transactions to be posted. A recordset is also basically a file.

Entity and table are basically the same thing. While you have the grouping of all the data, and entity (logical view) and a table (physical view) are the same. As Dave said, it is a logical grouping of a specific piece of data.

File, recordset, record, row or line are basically the same. A .csv file is a grouping of records. A file is a grouping of records. A row is an individual grouping of data from a relational database.

The last is element or attribute or field. This is the individual piece of data like Transaction_Amount or First Name.”

--Quora.com

A simple and the answer oversimplifies. But things seem simple only in the absence of foundation knowledge. Practitioners use different terms for the same thing, or the same word for different things, but that must be corrected, not accepted or validated.

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CLARIFICATIONS ON A DISCUSSION OF MY BOOK PART 2

(originally posted 2/21/01)

In Part 1 debunked a review of my book @Slashdot.Org. In parts 2-5 I tackled the discussion generated there by the review. In this last part I focus on the discussion of data hierarchies covered in chapter 7 of my book [the in-vogue re-emergent graph fad].

“Chapter 7 discusses data hierarchies and trees. In a nutshell: there are no trees in SQL. The author is distressed by this. Given that a foreign key is basically a pointer, you can store trees in databases, it might not be pretty and there may not be easy way to read them and it might not be a good thing to do - but if you feel the need then get right in there. Of course I could be totally wrong about this.”

Confusing keys with pointers is one of the major errors many practitioners make ]. One intentional core advantage of the RDM is precisely that it prohibits pointers -- both physical and, as in object-orientation, logical. Exposing pointers to users has caused many unnecessary problems and complications, but offered no benefit (Don't Mix Pointers and Relations and Don't Mix Pointers and Relations - Please! in Date's RELATIONAL DATABASE WRITINGS 1994-1997). There is an easy way to demonstrate that relational keys are not, like object IDs (OID), pointers, but values: they represent uniquely identifying names/attributes of rel world entities. Pointers are system-generated internals and have no real world counterpart. The desirability of a data model that produces logical models that are faithful representations of the real world, without adding artifacts of their own. Indeed, as Date points out in Why The Object Model' is Not a Data Model in his above-mentioned book, the fact that "in the object world all the references to objects are by means of their corresponding OIDs explains why -- as is well known -- OO systems typically provide (a) two different equality comparison operators, equal OID vs. equal value and (b) two different assignment operators, assign OID vs. assign value.  Note the added complication -- what is the benefit?

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Slashing a Slashdot Exchange - Part 1

(first published @DBAzine.com in 2001)

I was recently contacted by a reporter for an interview. When I expressed my disappointment with the trade media’s tendency to regurgitate vendor marketing claims instead of  assessing them, he admitted "that is what happens about 98 percent of the time", but added "There are some outlets with a good piece from time to time that deal with serious architecture issues", mentioning SlashDot as one of them.

There is, of course, a Catch 22 here: to judge the seriousness of such outlets, foundation and substantive knowledge is necessary in the first place. And, alas, reporters possess even less of it than vendors and users (see, for example, The Ignorance Mechanism, On Trade Media’s "Balance"),
without which sources may appear serious even when they are nothing of the sort. As luck would have it, I ran into a good opportunity to prove this point for SlashDot. It so happened that shortly after my exchange with the journalist, Database Debunkings experienced a sudden ten-fold increase in traffic. Now, [given that my target audience is thinking practitioners,] were my material to suddenly become "hot", I would worry as to where I did go wrong. But the odds for that are rather slim and, fortunately, there was no need for concern: an email from a reader informed me that "there recently was an article posted to SlashDot.org which refers to Dbdebunk.com and Mr. Pascal/Date" and "There [were] some 443 comments to that posting." Such volume is practically always indicative of heat (hot air, to be more precise), rather than light. Ah, well, I thought, yet another source of weekly quotes (as if one was needed).

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 “A data model is a collection of concepts ... used to describe the structure of a database...data types, relationships and constraints...is basically a conceptualization between attributes and entities ...
The building blocks in the data model are as follows:

• Entity − An entity represents a particular type of object in the real world.
• Entity set − Sets of entities of the same type which share the same properties are called entity Sets.
• Attribute − An attribute is a characteristic of an entity.
• Constraints − A constraint is a restriction placed on the data. It is helpful to ensure data integrity.
• Relationship − A relationship describes an association among entities.

--TutorialsPoint.com

Fallacies, Misconceptions and Confusion

• A data model:

- does not describe (just) the structure of a database.
- is not "a conceptualization between attributes and entities" (whatever that means).

• Entities, entity sets and relationships are not building blocks of a data model.

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“Let's say I want to store a list of movies that are stored on iTunes. For simplicity, we'll just store a few fields so that the film Avatar has these values:

ID: 354112018
Name: Avatar
Year: 2009
Synopsis: "From Academy Award®-winning director James Cameron comes Avatar, the story..."

However, sometimes the Synopsis is missing...and sometimes the Year is missing. Without giving it a second thought, I would probably create one table to store those four fields, something like this:

ID (INT)
Name (VARCHAR)
Year (INT NULL)
Synopsis (VARCHAR NULL)

Is there any advantage in 'further normalizing' the database so that, for example, I don't store any null values, such as:

Title
 TitleID
 Name

TitleSynopsis
 TitleID
 Synopsis

TitleYear
 TitleID
 Year

To me it seems like doing this would potentially create hundreds of extra tables (on a large database) and make inserts a nightmare -- I suppose a View could be created to flatten out the results so it's queryable, but even though I feel like it would require so much overhead. So is there any reason in the above case to normalize to remove nulls, or in general, what would be the case to do so, if there ever is one?”  --StackOverflow.com

Fallacies

That we see this in 2022 is testament to abysmal ignorance of fundamentals in the industry. Let's enumerate the fallacies:

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“The key idea is "Parent-Child" relationship. Entities ~ Relations ~ Tables (tilde stands for "more or less like"). Concept of a Table resonates with most of the people just as everybody intuitively grasps a concept of "rows and columns” but might struggle with "tuples and attributes". Explain relations and relationships, 1:1, 1:N, N:N etc. Explain rationale for this way of collecting and storing data, touch upon data normalization, and tell a few anecdotes about cost of storage back in 1970 and Y2K problem it have caused; add that we have inadvertently created Y10K problem while fixing it (not exactly true but not wrong either). Show an ERD diagram, trace the relationships, introduce SQL, maybe run a few simple SELECT queries to help your listeners visualize it, including equijoin and ORDER BY. Save other JOIN types, data types and other, more advanced topics, and for the next encounter.”

--Quora.com

 An excellent example that validates my claim of lack of foundation knowledge in the industry: most "explainers" of RDM have acquired relational jargon, but do not know or understand it at all.

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This is an email exchange with a reader responding to my third book.
(Originally posted on 06/21/2001)

“I'm presently reading your book PRACTICAL ISSUES IN DATABASE MANAGEMENT and there are a couple of points that I find a little confusing. I'll start first by saying that I have no formal database oriented education, and I'm attempting to familiarize myself with some of the underlying theories and practices, so that I can further my personal education and career prospects (but aren't we all!). My questions may sound a little bit ignorant, but that would be because I am! (Please note ignorant, not stupid!) I'll quote you directly from the book for this (possibly I'm taking you out of context or missing something important)

Chapter 3, A Matter of Identity: Keys, pg. 75: "Databases represent assertions of fact - propositions - about entities of interest in the real world. The representation must be correct - only true propositions (facts) must be represented."

Now, correct me if I'm wrong with a basic assumption here, but isn't a database simply a model of a "real world" data collection? I would've thought that the intention of a database would be to model real life effectively (and accurately) enough to provide useful data for interpretation. Now obviously this is not an easy process with complex data types, but would it even be possible to have a 100% true proposition with only atomic data types? (i.e. can a simplified model contain only facts?) In my understanding of modeling, any model that fits real life closely enough to be a good statistical representation is a usable model. e.g. Newton's Laws are accurate enough when applied on a local scale, but we need to use Einstein's model of space-time across larger scales. Wouldn't recording only "facts" (which I would presume you mean to be statements that are provable in the objective sense i.e. no interpretation, only investigation or calculation) possibly eliminate the utility of some aspects of the database? Or do we account for the interpretative aspect in the metadata or in some other way?

Essentially, I can see what you're saying, but not necessarily how you've reached the conclusion. Admittedly in an ideal world we should be able to record only facts in a database, but this is not an ideal world. As an example, in surveys we see such questions as "Are you happy with this product?" followed by a rating system of 1-5, or 'completely unhappy to completely happy'. This is an artificial enforcement of a quantitative measure on a qualitative property. How do we account for the fact that this is interpreted data and not calculated or measured?

My questions may have little relevance to database theory in general, but the concept fascinates me!”

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“Relational Data Integrity is like every other integrity constraint that checks that the relationships created between data using foreign keys has a consistency. This can be done by using ON UPDATE, ON DELETE constraints on the table.”

--Quora.com

I recently quoted this as one of my To Laugh or Cry? items on LinkedIn, which initiated an exchange triggered by the following question:

“You have a better definition? What is it?”

In the exchange the asker's interpretation seemed to be "referential constraints are constraints like any other constraints, so there is no problem".  It is hard to recognize misconceptions without proper understanding of the RDM. We ignore that the above is not really a definition and focus on debunking.

Decades ago I wrote an article in DATABASE PROGRAMMING AND DESIGN carrying the double-meaning title Integrity Is Not Only Referential, in which I debunked Borland's claim that its Paradox file manager supported referential integrity (at the time no PC product did). As one component of the RDM, database integrity is, of course, a DBMS function, but Pradox relegated it to applications. Then, as now, one of the most common and entrenched misconceptions was that relational comes from "relationships between tables" and so relational integrity amounts to referential integrity (RI). RI is, of course, but one of several components that comprise relational integrity -- it is necessary, but insufficient. While practitioners are familiar with referential and PK constraints, if asked what other constraints comprise relational integrity  very few know. Having enumerated them recently on LinkedIn, I asked this very question:

“... what other RELATIONAL constraints ARE there and what is their purpose? I recently posted a weekly truth and other items here that answer it.”

which went unanswered.

Data integrity is one of the three components of the RDM, together with data structure and manipulation. It consists of several categories of constraints which I detailed more than once, most recently in Understanding Relational Constraints, to which I referred the asker (can you give an example for each category?) Defining relational integrity means specifying all the constraint categories required by the RDM.

Consider now the above paragraph: it purports to define relational integrity, but it specifies functionality of referential integrity -- implying the old misconception I wrote about decades ago. The asker did not seem to comprehend the distinction:

“I can't see a problem here. Isn't it simply as follows? ... A *referential integrity constraint* ensures consistency between attributes of different entities - e.g. between primary and foreign keys of related entities (aka relational integrity). Isn't that what the definition says?"

Yes, it is the definition of referential integrity, but not of relational integrity -- there is more to the latter than the former. No matter in how many ways I tried to explain this, I was unable to convey it, because it's practically impossible in the absence of sufficient knowledge and understanding of the RDM.

 

 

 

 

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“If you have shopping cart, you probably have some field "TOTAL" somewhere that stores the final amount due for the customer. It so happens that such a thing violates relational theory...”

“Having a "TOTAL" field in your "order" table *might* violate relational theory, but if you make it so that only a trigger can update it based on what's in your "order_item" table, then I think it's fine. You still get data integrity and that is what matters.”

“I still fail to see what you mean by the "calculated TOTALS field" (attribute, really) violates the Relational Model.”

“The result of having the field ... is what is called a DELETE ANOMALY.”

“Most denormalizing means adding columns to tables that provide values you would otherwise have to calculate as needed.”

“There are four practical problems with a fully normalized database, three of which I have listed before. I will list them all here for completeness:
* No calculated values. Calculated values are a fact of life for all applications, but a normalized database lacks them. The burden of providing calculated values must be taken up by somebody somehow. Denormalization is one approach to this, though there are others.”

--Database Programmer blog

“...I'm now working with IT to normalize part of the database to remove calculated fields...:
`lineitems`.`extended total` = `lineitems`.`units` * `biditems`.`price`.
`jobs`.`jobvalue` = the sum of related `lineitems`.`extended total` records
`orders`.`ordervalue` = the sum of related `jobs`.`jobvalue` records.”

--mySQL.com

Do calculated attributes (not fields!) violate relational theory and must be "normalized" out of them? Determining that requires foundation knowledge that is scarce in the industry, which has a poor and outdated understanding of the RDM.

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ON DATA WAREHOUSES

(originally posted 11/10/2001)

“It is dawning on me that data warehouse techniques (as advocated by Ralph Kimball) are a response to perceived SQL DBMS performance weaknesses and nothing more. Dimensional modeling is a physical implementation design to deal with what may already be out of date performance tests to back up said design. I agree that where data warehouse logical design deviates from the relational data model there will be trouble down the road. I can attest to the high cost involved in maintaining a data warehouse. I am now questioning three purported benefits of using the current popular data warehouse design techniques.

Physical DBMS designs like the star schema produce faster more predictable query results than a normalized one (I realize normalization is a strictly logical concept but it does appear to have its direct physical mappings in current DBMS systems). Well, I am about to find out. We will be performing some benchmarks. What really are the query times performed on our OLTP system vs. a Star schema for a few relevant reports.

Data warehouses offload query processing from the OLTP system. This is true, but may not be necessary. One needs to thoroughly analyze the traffic on the OLTP system to see if offloading is necessary. We are looking into simply replicating the database (or part of it) for reporting purposes. Replication is far simpler to maintain than a data warehouse.

Data warehouse designs are simpler to understand than a relational one, thereby query construction is easier. I think this is more due to the fact that designers have had a bad habit of throwing up on a wall a full ER chart of their systems. Saying in effect Look how great I am, no one will ever understand this!  Creating ER diagrams of subsystems to describe important characteristics of a database can also be simple to understand.

Item #3 brings up a question. What do you think of OLAP tools such a Microsoft s Analysis Services? We have discovered you can use the tool without redesigning your database. We have seen some pretty fast query times if we take the option of allowing the tool to store data extracted from the production database into its own proprietary format. The opposition to its adoption here is the learning curve to master the MDX query language."

 

Fabian Pascal: The fact is that so-called "dimensional modeling" is logical, not physical modeling. Kimball does not present his "techniques" as just performance-maximization and, what is more, they won’t necessarily yield better performance. He also seems to believe, erroneously, that star-schemas are fully normalized designs. The real solution to performance problems is true RDBMSs with better implementations, not ad-hoc logical designs. Like so many, Kimball simply does not understand relational technology and confuses levels of representation.

I consider warehouses a regression to the good old days of application-biased files -- which we discarded for application-neutral and DBMSs, because they did not prove cost-effective. They are application-specific views of databases that are not derived via relational algebra from relational databases, but are rather non-relational SQL tables. The industry has a long and profitable history of recycling relabeled old failures, witness XML and graph throwbacks to hierarchic databases.

Aside from being necessary for soundness, fully normalized relational databases are the easiest to understand if (1) one thoroughly knows and understands the segment of reality to be represented in the database -- the business, that is -- and (2) data fundamentals. Arbitrary designs such as star-schemas are cope-outs, due to poor knowledge and understanding of the latter.

I am not familiar with the product, but I am generally wary of what vendors do.


Note on re-publication: See also Data Warehouses and the Logical-Physical Confusion.

 

 

 

 

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“A non-normalized database is a disorganized one, where nobody has bothered to work out where the facts should be stored. It is like a stack of paper files that has been tossed down the stairs. We are not interested in non-normalized databases.

A normalized database has been organized so that each fact is stored in exactly one place (2nf and greater) and no more than one fact is stored in each place (1nf). In a normalized database there is a place for everything and everything is in its place.

A denormalized database is a normalized database that has had redundancies deliberately re-introduced for some practical gain. Most denormalizing means adding columns to tables that provide values you would otherwise have to calculate as needed. Values are copied from table to table, calculations are made within a row, and totals, averages and other aggregrations are made between child and parent tables.”

--database-programmer.blogspot.com

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'These new data technologies were developed because there are new usage scenarios for data — which do not fit into the relational model.'

--Reddit.com

Don't let the NoSQL label fool you. It's the relational model (RDM), not SQL, that its proponents are really dismissing. The main argument, as advanced in a recent LinkedIn exchange, is that lots of information "cannot be represented in rows and columns". IOW, the RDM is not general enough -- there are certain types of information that it is not suited for. Ignoring the tabular nonsense, the response from David McGoveran, is important enough to restate here.

“Information consists of facts (i.e., propositions asserted to be true) about objects, properties, and relationships among objects and properties. We have shown that a database relation -- which a R-table visualizes -- is constrained to represent a set of facts about (properties of) a group of entities with within-group relationships among properties and entities and cross-group relationships. Yet we are told that document information "do not fit" in a relational structure. They are referred to as "unstructured" (which, if they were, they would contain random noise, not information).

But documents don't lack structure. Rather, they are multistructured: have complex multi-level/type structures -- lots of content, metadata, interpretations, and internal relationships (formatting, semantic, structural or syntactic, and so on). At one level of analysis, they are just documents that have subject matter or content involving objects, properties and relationships. At another they might relate to that of other data (e.g., other documents). How we represent knowledge and in how much detail is determined by which of the structures we choose to represent and that always partially determines the class of queries we can express. This is precisely what Codd understood and tried to address via the RDM.

--David McGoveran

And there's the rub: which type of data (facts) at which document level is of interest? Take this post. There are facts about it (e.g., author, title, date and so on). There are facts in it (its content). Either can can be readily represented relationally, for example:

POSTS (AUTHOR,TITLE,DATE,CONTENT)

where CONTENT is a column defined on a text, PDF, or HTML domain with built-in operators applicable to values of either of those types (e.g., a substring operator for text). Facts at other levels (e.g., grammatical, or semantic) could be of interest and would require multi-table representation. One must choose the type/level of information of interest to represent relationally in a database. We can choose to not do the analysis and modeling of the content of documents, but that does not mean that they are unstructurable as facts. More often than not data professionals don’t know what type of facts are to be represented, or are unfamiliar with data modeling and relational fundamentals. Product advocates avoid to say that without investing time and effort in analysis and modeling one cannot ask the same questions of and produce results equivalent to those from relational databases (i.e., make precise inferences from data that are guaranteed to be correct -- logically valid and semantically consistent). In fact, the use of such products trades upfront structuring effort for subsequent prohibitive manipulation effort.

As David points out, "complaints about RDM are not about knowledge representation, but knowledge discovery -- the problem, for example, that Google Search, analytics and data integration face and attempt to solve. It's an expensive, imprecise, and difficult problem", but it is distinct from what database management does and the two should not be confused.

 

 

 

 

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Revised 3/20/21

I recently came across a review of Edsger Dijkstra's work, where the following comment on a book he co-authored (referred to as D&S) raised my debunking antennae:

“... in general computer people seem to have a penchant for whipping up homebrew logics ... D&S is not the only example ... See E.F. Codd’s Relational Calculus, an obvious mess.”
--Maarten van Emden, A Bridge too Far: E.W. Dijkstra and Logic 

Having recently argued that "Codd was wrong" and "You're teaching [his] gospel" Betray Lack of Foundation Knowledge, my suspicion should hardly surprise. Besides, criticism of Dijkstra is a very tall order in itself, particularly in the context of disputes among logicians). As a reader asked, "What’s so obviously messy in Codd’s Relational Calculus?". Answer:

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“The most popular data model in DBMS is the Relational Model. It is more scientific a model than others. This model is based on first-order predicate logic and defines a table as an n-ary relation. The main highlights of this model are:

• Data is stored in tables called relations.
• Relations can be normalized.
• In normalized relations, values saved are atomic values.
• Each row in a relation contains a unique value.
• Each column in a relation contains values from a same [sic] domain.”

--What is a relational database and why is it important, Quora.com

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I have long claimed that a core problem in the industry is the vast majority of practitioners who use relational terminology, do not know/understand what it means, yet are convinced they do -- the less the understanding, the greater the convinction. A recent LinkedIn exchange provided -- as if it were needed -- yet another example. It was triggered by my comment:

“How many know today that a relation is by definition in 5NF, otherwise it's not a relation, the relational algebra has "anomalies" and all bets are off? IMO, none! If you need to "do" normalization, you did not design correctly, which means you don't understand the RDM.”

that prompted the following reaction:

“Is that really true? You construct a table and fill it full of garbage. It may not even be in 1NF, but is it not still a "relation" of columns, even if it's not a relation of rows or attributes? Codd had no real conception of syntax as separate from semantics, I don't think relational theory has a clear position on this. This is where Kimball and dimensional systems differ from Codd's relational, it made some effort (not a lot) to distinguish syntactic and semantic elements.”

--Joshua Stern